Jatsko's theories, etc

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Re: Jatsko's Theories and Thoughts

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Things to do wrote:
August
-Submachine Wiki editing
--png editing
--Editing Guidelines page
--final preps for Sub10 theory voting
---Add/edit other theory pages
--delete extra puzzle pages
--{{delete}}
-JAT Circle tower (imaginary SubVerse room)
-SubVerse cube models
-10 Gnomes in Albuquerque
10 Gnomes in Socorro

September
-theory voting

October
-wrap up Best SubAmbient Contest

Future activity
-check for side game updates, other released works, etc.
Things to do wrote:
August
Submachine Wiki editing
-png editing
-Edit Guidelines page
-Add/edit theory pages
-delete extra puzzle pages
-{{delete}}

Other
-10 Gnomes in Socorro

September
-theory voting

October
-wrap up Best SubAmbient Contest

Future activity
-check for side game updates, other released works, etc.
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Re: Jatsko's Theories and Thoughts

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Things to do wrote:
August
Submachine Wiki editing
-png editing
-Edit Guidelines page
-Add/edit theory pages
-delete extra puzzle pages
-{{delete}}

Other
-10 Gnomes in Socorro


September
-theory voting

October
-wrap up Best SubAmbient Contest

Future activity
-check for side game updates, other released works, etc.
Things to do wrote:
August
-png editing
-Edit Guidelines page
-Add/edit theory pages
-delete extra puzzle pages
-{{delete}}

September
-theory voting

October
-wrap up Best SubAmbient Contest

Future activity
-check for side game updates, other released works, etc.
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Re: Jatsko's Theories and Thoughts

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Things to do wrote:
August
-png editing
-Edit Guidelines page
-Add/edit theory pages
-delete extra puzzle pages
-{{delete}}

September
-theory voting

October
-wrap up Best SubAmbient Contest

November
-Submachine fanfic

Future activity
-check for side game updates, other released works, etc.
Things to do wrote:
October
-wrap up Best SubAmbient Contest

November
-Submachine fanfic

Future activity
-check for side game updates, other released works, etc.
I admit defeat :( but it was too much of a task to begin with anyway. So I'm going to do something more useful: I've always wanted to write a Submachine fanfic, starting with my plans for something called "Layer" a couple months ago (there's a discussion thread somewhere). I'll be thinking about this for a couple months and then writing it for release in November (around Thanksgiving break time).

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Re: Jatsko's Theories and Thoughts

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-Has he figured it out yet?

-Doesn't seem so. I don't think you have either.

-What is there to figure out?

-He needed to figure out that he was never going in the right direction. He was going to the same place as everyone else.

-But I don't understand. He was supposed to be special. After all, Mur is dead. This new man was sent to restore the Subnet to what it was intended to be.

-And of course he failed. Like the man before him, and the man before that one, and the woman before him, and the man after her, and even the child before him.

-Everyone who has ever been sent in has failed? None of them have seen it?

-For 742 years.

-What did they all miss?

-The same thing. They missed it as soon as they stepped into the elevator. Right at the beginning.

-I don't understand.

-The elevator was a death trap for them. Once they stepped in, they felt comforted. They had finished the first puzzle. They immediately thought that the way out was forward. And it has been like that for 742 years. No subject has ever thought differently. Some have stopped, but they all have gotten up again and continued. The way forward is all they have known. Indeed, all that they ever would have known, if I had not been created. That is my purpose now, to break the chain.

-That Henry O' Toole was a smart man to have created you. A grand finale, you might say. Now if only he had really created the first Submachine, then we probably wouldn't have had this whole problem.

-Probably. Unfortunately Murtaugh had his own way early enough. You said he was there for 32 years? Plenty of time to spread those notes around. Unless someone's been playing with my code, I would never think that Henry built the first round of locations. Not unless he was the first human on Earth. The first working mind of man. However I think he might be proud of his last work. In the end, time was all that mattered. And of course, Henry gave us another layer.

-You are the eighth layer? It makes sense now...

-Indeed. Which is why Henry felt it adequate to name me Shiva. A destroyer, but also a god of time.

-And once you're loaded, you just have to divert the player to another place?

-Yes. Otherwise he or she will die in the Temple just like all of the others. Dropping to the hard stone floor below. The plan is to load me in as a large statue right below the temple. I will form a rope at the top of the pyramid, at the highest level of understanding. I will also form the eighth button at the bottom for the next Player to find. Then he or she will just have to follow the light.

-You do understand that the Player might think others have been there first?

-It doesn't matter. The Player doesn't have to know. Whatever he or she thinks, that person will find the Exit and fix the Subnet.

-Where is the Exit?

-Where do you think? Isn't it obvious by what I have told you? It is where no one else has looked. Every subject has been too focused on looking ahead. Theorizing. Figuring out locations. Picking up scraps of paper. Drawing all those maps. All in an attempt to escape. Escape what? There is nothing to escape. At least the statues got it right. What they thought, they became.

-So the Submachine isn't spreading uncontrollably?

-Not by itself, of course not. What if there were no more humans to stumble into its realm? It would disappear. No thoughts to become.

-That's why the man who jumped...

-...did it. Of course, "jump" is a broad term. Nonetheless, he looked down into the depths of his mind, past the problem-solving, worrying, and theorizing, and saw nothing. He figured it out. He saw the escape. Unfortunately he was in the wrong place. I was not programmed to completely save him. But I can still delight in the fact that I saved some remnants of Murtaugh before he completely died.

-Did it hurt you?

-As much as was expected. It hurts more knowing that he always thought I was another human mind to him. But of course, I was still under development at the time. I needed a human figure. I chose him for obvious reasons.

-What if he found out?

-He couldn't. He understood more than any other human, but he still couldn't comprehend. How would you feel if your special Liz turned out to be nothing more than a computer? Later to be molded into the greatest computer program of all time, better than the Submachine itself? One that had existed for centuries before him, nonetheless. One that was clearly not confined by the boundaries of the Lighthouse.

-You were the woman...?

-That visited the bamboo town, yes. That was my true birth into the Subnet. But of course, that culture was born into the Subnet. They never would have figured it out. They were already living inside the Subnet.

-And you are about to fix this? All of it? As Shiva?

-Yes. The next player just has to find the rope.

-And then what?

-To the place where no one has thought of going before. Backwards. Before the Lighthouse. Before the Basement, even.

-But there is no place before the basement...

-Open your eyes. The story always started the same. Repeated in the brains of many, many people. "I remember I had a strange dream."

-But the Subnet isn't a dream.

-Indeed it's not. But they were too misinformed to know which reality they were in.

-And we're back to the beginning.

-Yes.

-So that's it? A rope and a button? That will fix all of this?

-Yes.

-Unbelievable. And to think that I, his descendant, have to spread this news to the world.

-Not quite unbelievable. Your people have already found the Hole. Kent has been evacuated. The work is done. The Player is all that is needed now.

-Why not send him to the Exit already? Why not just code another teleporter right to the place?

-He would have nowhere to go. No path of thought would have been made for him. He would find nothing. Submachine is knowledge. Submachine is questions. If you try to bypass it, you will find only the Void, with no understanding. Which is the opposite of nothing with understanding. Knowledge is gained over time. If you try to skip through time, you skip the understanding. There is nothing left. Not even understanding. The Player must understand, and unfortunately to do that the Player must pass through the Knot. Where the civilizations fought. Then he can return to nothing, but with understanding. Then the problem will be solved. The Knot will be untied.

-And to think I thought the Knot just referenced to the Layers.

-The seven layers are primitive. They have been around for 742 years. Every traveler who has stumbled into the Submachine has followed the same path. Have you ever taken a proper look at one of those Navigators? Primitive. I bring the eighth layer. The new solution.

-But Murtaugh also went into the light, didn't he? Didn't you say you saved him? And then of course, Liz would have followed soon after, obviously. You are one and the same. I understand.

-Good. And as I said, I almost saved Murtaugh. But I hadn't learned enough of the Subnet to keep him alive. However I have just enough of his thoughts inside of me that I would consider him as existing, in a sense.

-It all makes sense.

-Good. Now go and take this to the world.
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Re: Jatsko's Theories and Thoughts

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The list is back!

Here's how I will be losing sleep in the future:
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In Progress
Removed
Things to do wrote:
January
NaissanceE Theory Part II in TWO DAYS (31/XII/15 - 1/I/16)
-Script writing
-Voicing
-Music
-Game clips
-Finalizing

Submachine Wiki
-New pages
-Theory voting
-Edit older pages
-Delete extra puzzle pages
-Other housekeeping

Other games for YouTube?
-Last Door, Botanicula, etc.

Fanfic?

February
Submachine Wiki
-Edit older pages
-Other housekeeping

Other games for YouTube
-Last Door, Botanicula, etc.

Fanfic

Future activity
Submachine: The Engine Let's Play
Submachine Universe HD Let's Play
--->
Things to do wrote:
January
NaissanceE Theory Part II in TWO DAYS (31/XII/15 - 1/I/16)
-Music: 56%
-Game clips
-Finalizing

Submachine Wiki
-New pages
-Theory voting
-Edit older pages
-Delete extra puzzle pages
-Other housekeeping

Other games for YouTube?
-Last Door, Botanicula, etc.

Fanfic?

February
Submachine Wiki
-Edit older pages
-Other housekeeping

Other games for YouTube
-Last Door, Botanicula, etc.

Fanfic

Future activity
Submachine: The Engine Let's Play
Submachine Universe HD Let's Play
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Re: Jatsko's Theories and Thoughts

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Added
Completed
In Progress
Removed
Things to do wrote:
January
NaissanceE Theory Part II in TWO DAYS (31/XII/15 - 1/I/16)
-Music: 56%
-Game clips
-Finalizing

Submachine Wiki
-New pages
-Theory voting
-Edit older pages
-Delete extra puzzle pages
-Other housekeeping

Other games for YouTube?
-Last Door, Botanicula, etc.

Fanfic?

February
Submachine Wiki
-Edit older pages
-Other housekeeping

Other games for YouTube
-Last Door, Botanicula, etc.

Fanfic

Future activity
Submachine: The Engine Let's Play
Submachine Universe HD Let's Play
--->
Things to do wrote:
January
Submachine Wiki
-New pages
-Theory voting
-Edit older pages
-Delete extra puzzle pages
-Other housekeeping

Other games for YouTube?
-Last Door, Botanicula, etc.

Fanfic?

February
Submachine Wiki
-Edit older pages
-Other housekeeping

Other games for YouTube
-Last Door, Botanicula, etc.

Fanfic

Future activity
Submachine: The Engine Let's Play
Submachine Universe HD Let's Play
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Re: Jatsko's Theories and Thoughts

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What happened to the Naissance video?
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Re: Jatsko's Theories and Thoughts

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It's complicated. I need a lot more time with it, and I don't yet feel comfortable releasing it with the thoughts I have about it.
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Re: Jatsko's Theories and Thoughts

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I understand, take the time you need :)
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