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I think it's to make seem technical.

Just look all of the links here under "Computing:"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_(disambiguation)

Talking about Network Protocols with someone today.
Seven layers of Network Protocols.
Seven layers of Submachine.
Coincidence?

"root request/exit/denied"

why are we requesting the root?

I wanted to say the same what Abacus posted.

this is going to sound far fetched, but we know sub4 was a test, and sub5 was the real thing. let's say that when we disconnected from the loop, we didn't technically disconnect from it entirely, we disconnected to a false loop, which was the lab. (why else is there a loop location in sub4?)

after passing a series of tests, we were finally granted exit out of the loop and we wake up in sub5 in the real lab, not the false one in sub4.

And when we put that golden fish arm to that statue, we disconnected from this "loop"?
Sounds interesting...

Hey, guys! Let's discuss about serious things again! Like this thread.

I thought that the Loop was the "purest" submachine or something like that...

gemini wrote:

The Abacus wrote:I thought that the Loop was the "purest" submachine or something like that...

that is a theory... nowhere in the series is it listed the loop is pure. the said theory is found in 555.

Oh, you're right:

The theory of sunshine_bunnygirl_17 was actually created by the PastelForum member dVanisAWESOME, who dared someone to post it under the username of sunshine_bunnygirl_17. As it happens somebody actually did do that, and Mateusz Skutnik approved it to SNEE.

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In Submachine 3 we visit the loop. We are locked inside in the flawless location, at the end we either can finish that final puzzle and drop endlessly to our death, or we can attempt to disconnect from the loop and land somewhere nearby at the lab. However, I feel as if we don't disconnect from the loop, but we disconnect to a false loop. We go from a flawless layer to a flawed layer.

If I misunderstood you wrong, just help me to correct it. It's a lot to wrap my mind around.

Here's my question: Are you saying we jumped Layers all throughout the Series so far? Yes, I know I only quoted the Sub3 bit, but the transition between each Submachine, from your explanation, seems to bounce between Knot locations and Loop locations.

So perhaps this is where your thoughts from a while back about the two Lighthouses fits in: We've thought them to be on different Layers, so perhaps one's a Knot location and the other's a Loop location.

And it makes sense characterizing "knot" and "loop" as "flawless" and "flawed" - A Knot, such as the Gordian Knot, cannot be undone, thus the knot is stable, everything remaining stable within it. Meanwhile, a loop can be undone, being "mutated" and such.

Third dimension. Dimensions are layers. There are seven. So therefore there is a flawed and original copy of the layer existing with said layer.

This was a while back when I said this, but I'm reminded of a thought Vortex and I had: In the way you're saying "third dimension," you're not characterizing Layer 3 as the "third Dimension," which is good. What the thought we had was that the architects layered the Layers in a different order from their creation. So perhaps the fifth Dimension created is "Layer three," being stacked as the third Layer, meaning Layers don't go by chronological order.

If that helps you build upon the Theory in any way, it's there for your use.

Otherwise, I really like this Theory of yours, maybe you could show a diagram to help me out a little more? It sounds like you're saying there's "Layers within Layers," and I'm nearly 100% sure that's not what you mean at all. A diagram might help me make more sense of it.

Poor microwave.
That's quite interesting.
So you're saying that there is a copy in one of the layers (like the first layer)
And this may apply to other layers as well?
In that case, would you apply that to 628 as well?

basically its not a layer within a layer, its the same layer, just flip sided. you remember in sub7 when we use the portal gate, to flip dimensions? i think we in reality switched between the layer. we switched to either the flawed or flawless.

If I'm correct, I think that's all you had to say: You're saying that the "Portal Door" is the "cut-off" between Knot and Loop? So in the very beginning of Sub7, we were in "The Loop" part of the Layer. Then, as we go through the Portal Door, we're in the "Knot" part, which explains why when we entered Sub8, the Knot was in effect?

Or were we in the Knot in the beginning of Sub7, moved to The Loop (where the Palace is) and then back to the Knot through Mur's portal at the end of Sub7?

Ah! So "The Loop" (Sub3) is (for lack of a better word) a different part of the Layer we were always in? So 555 has another "reality" to it? So Mur's experimental portal was actually the equivelent of the "Portal Door" in Sub7?

....that is, if I'm following along correctly. Mind-blowing stuff if I am.

actually its kinda the other way around... a knot can be broken, a loop cannot. however it could be mutated... and perhaps that is what we did by using the leaf onto the pedestal and escaping the real loop, to a false loop (knot) and then we exited the knot, by disconnecting with the armless statue in sub4.

Which would mean the Leaf and the Statue are also forms of "Portal Doors."

actually i am saying the third dimension is layer three. even mateusz stated that dimensions are the same as layers:

It's not the main point, but Mateusz said "dimensions = Layers" when proposed with "there are many dimensions within a Layer." Mateusz didn't say something along the lines of "Layer three is the third Layer," but you're probably right and it doesn't even affect your Theory anyway because you were using "Layer" to mean "Same plane, different side of the plane."

The diagram helped, not a waste of effort.

Mateusz said that the loop of Sub3 (True Loop?) is on a dimension of its own. The note wrote by Mur in the last level of Sub3 prove that too.

Also:

Transcript 17/38 wrote:Liz: You can create dimensional portals while being inside such a portal?
Murtaugh: Yes, I can.

Liz: And when you do, what happens then?

Murtaugh: ...you change direction.

Liz: Direction of what?

Murtaugh: Of everything.

Mateusz Skutnik wrote:you were going to layer 5.
on the way - you fell into the portal within the portal that changed your direction and threw you into the dimensional knot that you had to untie in order to move forward.
now ask me again, how sub8 mirrors sub3. -__-

??? Layer 7 wrote:- Have you ever been to the place called the loop?
-Yes, of course.

-See, this knot is just like the loop. Well, maybe not exactly, but it serves the same purpose.

- In that case... What is so important in layer 5?...