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or as sregiT says:

http://news.yahoo.com/woman-removes-con ... 03011.html

While we are on the subject of removing important landmarks and pieces of American history, maybe we should focus on removing any remaining concentration camps such as Auschwitz in Europe, since they are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people during the holocaust in WW2.

Furthermore, lets remove the pyramids in Egypt that were built by slaves during the Egyptian Dynasties thousands of years ago.

I mean after all, if a flag is promoting so much racism and hatred, these other structures in other parts of the world have to be promoting hatred and racism too, right?

They aren't actually, and my post is sarcasm, its poking fun at the fact that the only people who actively complain about the confederate flag being racist and hateful, are actually quite racist and hateful themselves, since they want to remove a piece of their history... yes the confederate flag was a symbol of the south during the civil war, and slavery was a big piece of that war, but it wasn't the only reason the south secceeded from our country, I've spoken to friends who are black, both south, north, internationally and they have no issue with the flag, they think the ones complaining are just complaining to make a quick buck, that seems to be the craze here, we are a lawsuit happy country after all

For some reason this is a spoiler wrote:they think the ones complaining are just complaining to make a quick buck, that seems to be the craze here, we are a lawsuit happy country after all

Or maybe it's not all about the money, all the time.

I don't support the Confederate flag, and I don't want it around my household, but I'm not trying to make money off my opinions.

I've never seen the Confederate flag imply racism. Its more about pride than anything, and I think we all have the right to express our pride. I'm not saying that southerners are prideful for being in a part of the country that used to have slavery, and tried to seceded from the united states, but if you ever get the chance to visit the southern part, you'll take notice of how vastly different they are from the north. Its like a different culture down there.

And in order to show their pride of being unique and different, they took a piece of their history with them, in this case the flag, which unfortunately is now being subject to ridicule for promoting racism and hatred... Which I don't believe it does. The Egyptians have kept their pyramids around, and do we hear or see anything about racism and hatred coming from them? Europeans have kept their concentration camps, same goes for them, anything hateful or racist coming from over there? Which is the main point I'm expressing, something only becomes a problem, when people bring attention to it. The flag wasn't a problem for 200 years until now. If it was such a racist and hateful symbol, it would have been removed already, wouldn't it? I mean fuck, even during the civil rights protests during the 1960s when blacks paraded around demanding liberties and rights, just as whites have them, did they ever bring attention to the flag? Nope... and most of those civil rights protests happened in the south... irony.

Some homosexuals like to use the rainbow flag as a way of expressing their pride, I don't openly express my pride of being gay, I have expressed my pride of being able to marry another man though. But that's a bit different. We worked our asses off for decades for this to happen and it finally did. Which I'm prideful for.

There's a difference between having an opinion and promoting that opinion and then, when you promote the opinion there is a difference between promoting it in a peaceful way, and promoting it in a hostile way and a lot of what I've seen so far is hostility regarding this particular flag.

I don't particularly care to see the flag waved in my face either, but I don't have an issue with it. If us homosexuals can wave our rainbow flag, I say the south should be able to wave theirs!

And I'm not saying everyone who is complaining is trying to make money off their complaints, but people do that.

I agree, the Flag shouldn't be taken down.
I remember back when I was in High School and my my social Studies teacher went to the length to teach us not the problem with slavery, but with the other problems the south faced at the time.

And he was African American.
Plus, its like Anonymous says, its about accepting and acknowledging the mistakes made in the past.

Honestly, I am fine if any regular citizen is flying their own Confederate flag. Just please be prepared to go against people that finds extreme offense in your display.

What I am not fine with is our government flying that flag in any official capacity. It has to go down. The flag can remains in the museum so we can remember where and when it came from and why it is so important to our history, both good and bad.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Plus, its like Anonymous says, its about accepting and acknowledging the mistakes made in the past.

I understand that.

Some people doesn't and some people wouldn't. They see the flag as wretched symbol of what the Confederacy fought for back then. Same with how many see what the Nazi flag symbolized.

What I am not fine with is our government flying that flag in any official capacity

I agree with this of course

its about accepting and acknowledging the mistakes made in the past.

Yes, thank you WIQ, you took my entire post and came out with the very point I'm trying to make

Its like the concentration camps still in existence today, they aren't supposed to invoke hatred and negativity, if anything they are supposed to remove such, by letting us know just what happens when we let politicians go too far. They end up manipulating an entire country, and then raze the world to exterminate a single portion of it. Granted not all victims were Jewish (and Jewish is actually a religion, not a race, something that Hitler failed to realize, as you say, an idea is not that easily destroyed) but it was a very big portion of the holocaust.

Its like slavery, we let it get the worst of us out. The north started heavy taxes on imports/exports and also slaves, and the south didn't like that, so they seceded from us. Its just like our colonies fighting back against Great Britain during the American Revolution.

It depends in the Symbolism one has towards certain things...

Here in my country we are removing anything related to Julio A. Roca, a political and militar figure known to cause the "Conquest of the Desert", that caused the extermination of several of the native population of the Patagonia, so we symbol him now as a figure related to "genocide".
So our politicans are reaching to removing him from the currency, as well as removal of certain statues. But we are not removing any storical records of such, we are just stoping idolizing a certain figure, that for the world of today it concidered a genocide.

What, I'm not conforted of, is that, instead of changing his statues for other, more promising political figures, or even sculptures representing the respect to native communities of here, we are changing them for statues representing political figures from bordering countries, posibly due the great current and increasing number of inmigrants from these countries. Whats next, a statue of a chinese politican?